Question: Will Christians be on earth when the
comes to power? Will Christians have to face him? Will we know who he
Yes. Yes. And, Yes.
For almost 30 years I believed the answers were , No, No, and, No, but
finally let my eyes read what God actually says, not what other people
He says. When you read the actual words in the Bible and let them speak
themselves, you may find yourself staring at a hard truth: the Church
be taken out of this world before the anti-christ comes to power.
will face the anti-christ.
I wish I had a nickel for every time I have heard pastors and teachers
(including me) and other Christians say, with apparent pride and
that we won't know who the anti-christ is - that we will be gone before
revealed to the world. Of all the declarations coming from the
Rapture camp, this one seems to come with the biggest smiles, the most
assurance. Again, I believed and taught this, also, for more than 25
but, no longer.
This will be a brief study, compared to some of the others in this "Questions about the End
section of Quiet Heart Press. Short, because there is no need to go
detail in explanation of
why my belief changed. All I am going to do is show you two scriptures,
make a few comments,
and then leave it with you. Once you have read these verses and given
serious consideration, the responsibility will be yours. You can
the Word of God plainly says, or you can reject it. That is your
is your privilege. That is your right.
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NOW FOR THE FIRST
PASSAGE, GIVEN BY JESUS HIMSELF:
could not have said it more clearly. Look at Mark 13:24-27:
in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and
the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall,
and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great
power and glory.
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect
from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the
uttermost part of heaven."
In red-letter Bibles, the above
quote is all in red ink, showing these words as being spoken by Jesus
Himself. Please think about that. The above words are not an
interpretation made by me or anyone else. Jesus said, "after that
tribulation", and we know, from verses 19 & 20, just before the
quote, He is speaking about the Great Tribulation that will take place
soon before He comes back to earth. We know this because He said in
verses 19 & 20:
"For in those days shall be
affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which
God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord
had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's
sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."
These verses make it very clear
Jesus is speaking of the last days when
He says "in those days, after that tribulation". There can be no doubt,
unless you refuse to accept the scripture as it is written.
Now notice what will happen after the tribulation of the last
"... then shall he send his
angels, and shall gather together his elect from
the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost
part of heaven."
His elect that He gathers from
the uttermost part of the earth are
Christians who are still alive (those who are alive and remain) at His
return, and the elect He gathers from the uttermost part of heaven are
the dead in Christ, those who had died before His return, whose souls
He brings to be joined with their resurrected bodies. This event can be nothing other than the
Rapture. And remember: this takes place in the days after the tribulation.
Therefore, the Rapture will take place after the tribulation or at the
end of it, which means Christians, dead or alive, will not be Raptured
until after the anti-christ
you do not agree, don't argue with me. Argue with Jesus Himself. The
quotes above are His own words, as recorded in scripture.
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NOW FOR THE
SECOND SCRIPTURE. The study of this one is more complex, but don't get
lost in the details. At first, you may think this is making a lot out
of nothing, but this study is based on fact and should be given your
full attention. Every bit of scripture is important, including the
words used and the way in which they are used. I have to believe the
Bible is written exactly as God intended, and that He spoke the
original languages of scripture perfectly. I don't believe He mis-spoke
anywhere in scripture. Therefore, I have to believe everything about
scripture is accurate and important--even the grammar. In just a minute
you will see why I say this.
No, on to the
Please keep in
mind these things as you read through the scripture, below.
First, note the topic
passage refers to.
Second, note the time referred to.
Next, note the problem referred to.
Finally, note the answer given to the problem.
read through that list again, then move on to the
passage of scripture printed below.
"Now, dear brothers and sisters, let us clarify some things
about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered
Donít be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of
already begun. Donít believe them, even if they claim to have had a
revelation, or a letter supposedly from us. Donít be fooled by
say. For that
day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the
is revealed - the one who brings destruction. He will exalt himself and
that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in
temple of God,
claiming that he himself is God."
These are the answer to the list, above:
is whether the
Day of the Lord had already come, in the days this letter was written.
The time referred to is the time when Jesus will return and
people to Him.
The problem was, many in Thessalonika had heard that the Day of
(the time when
Jesus will return) had already
they were disturbed that they had missed
The answer Paul sent, in this letter, was, No, Jesus had not
yet. Paul went on to give
two ways to know that Jesus had not
returned. One was, a great rebellion (the great
"falling away") from God had not
happened. The second was, the anti-christ had not yet
This is an amazing thing: Paul said the coming of our Lord and our
together with Him will not take place until after the
anti-christ is revealed!
This is so clear! How could I have missed it, and missed it repeatedly
Actually, that was easy. All I had to do was listen to what other
me these verses meant, instead of looking to see what they actually
say. And when I listened to what others told me, they told me
these verses did not apply to the Rapture of the Church, but to the
Coming of Jesus - seven years later. Yes, they said, even though the
part about our being
gathered together with Him is in these verses, that didn't really
the Rapture had to wait until after the anti-christ was revealed. And
though the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together
were both included in one sentence and in the phrase "that day",
as if both could take place on the same day, that did not really
His return to earth and the Rapture would take place on the same
day. Even more, they stressed that 'the Day of the Lord" may itself be
seven years long. While it is probably correct that the Day of the Lord
is more than one twenty-four hour day long, that, in no way, means the
Rapture and the Second Coming must be separated by seven years.
Looking back on it, I can only shake my head in wonder. And in profound
embarrassment, to have
believed what I was told, never believing scripture as it is plainly
It was explained this way: Even though the return of Jesus and our
together are included in
that one sentence, there are actually two very separate and distinct
spoken of in that sentence. That is proven, they told me, by many other
scriptures in many other places. Also, I was told, the word "and" that
the middle of the sentence show us the distinction between these two
example could be, "The United States was involved in the First and the
Second World War." With this example in mind, and knowing those two
wars were separate wars, one could say "The
coming of our Lord and our gathering together with Him" are two
distinctly different events, and mean the
two were not actually inseparable,
but only related. That does sound reasonable,
as long as you ignore the characteristics of that word, "and" in the
original grammar wherein the text was written.
The word "and", as occurring in the sentence in question, does not
mean related, and has a meaning stronger than simply connected.
According to Strong's note 2532, "and", as used here, is the Greek
word kai, and the definition is given: "having a copulative and
sometimes also a cumulative force".
"Copulative" is a term found in Greek grammar, and is explained
further in the following quote, as a
verb rather than a conjunction. Though the quote talks about a "linking
verb" the definition of "copulative" does not depend on the word
being a verb. Copulative conjunctions such as "and" are also a part
of Greek grammar, which you can easily verify by running an
search such as "copulative conjunction Greek" (better results without
"A linking verb
referred to as a copulative verb by grammarians) is a
special class of intransitive
verbs. It is a verb
used to equate, identify, or join together
one interchangeable substantive
(this quote is taken from a website devoted to teaching New Testament
here to see
the page where this quote is from)
Notice the words "equate" and "interchangeable" in the
quote, above. By applying this quote to
2nd Thessalonians 2:1, we see it is possible to equate, to interchange,
the two substantives: "the
coming of our Lord Jesus Christ", and, "our being gathered together
Him". In other words, the
coming of our Lord (in the context of the Day of the Lord) and our
gathered together with Him are interchangeable.
Verbally, they can be interchanged
without altering the validity of the sentence. They are equated,
that each is also identified as the other. So when I talk about
returning again, I am also talking about the Rapture, and when I speak
Rapture, I am also speaking of His coming again to this earth. And now
note one other very
large nail in the coffin of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory: Paul,
in this same
passage, speaks of the Day of the Lord.
The mention of the Day of the Lord in the same context of time with the
(our gathering together with Him) is critical. Please read the
relating to the Day of the Lord and ask yourself if a secret coming to
away the Church before the Tribulation can be found in these
for the day of the LORD is at hand! It will come as destruction
from the Almighty. Therefore all hands will be limp, Every manís heart
melt, And they
will be afraid. Pangs and sorrows will take hold of them; They
in pain as a woman
in childbirth; They will be amazed at one another; Their faces will
the day of the LORD comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, To
desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it. For the stars of
constellations Will not give their light; The sun will be darkened in
forth, And the
moon will not cause its light to shine. 'I will punish the world for its
evil, And the wicked for
their iniquity; I will halt the arrogance of the proud, And will lay
haughtiness of the
Putting it all together:
--The coming of
our Lord and our
gathering together with Him are the same event, not
two events separated by years.
--The coming of our Lord and our gathering together with Him are spoken
with "the Day of the Lord", in
such a way as to show that these two events will take
place at the time of "the Day of the
--These events will not come until the man of lawlessness (the
--Therefore, the Church will still be here on earth, unraptured,
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